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		<description><![CDATA[As a whole (except when privately kvetching between themselves behind another&#8217;s back), astrologers are quite allergic to criticism; whether providing it thoughtfully or accepting it. It is just not done, constructively or otherwise.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class='snap_preview'><br /><p><a href="http://astroknavery.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/rob_hand.jpg" class="imagelink" title="rob_hand.jpg"><img src="http://astroknavery.files.wordpress.com/2006/09/rob_hand.jpg" alt="rob_hand.jpg" align="right" border="0" hspace="20" vspace="20" /></a>As a whole (except when privately kvetching between themselves behind another&#8217;s back), astrologers are quite allergic to criticism; whether providing it thoughtfully or accepting it. It is just <i>not done</i>, constructively or otherwise.</p>
<p>My personal theory is that since the word &#8220;astrology&#8221; is synonymous with pariah, most astrologers find themselves operating as a kind of functional outlaw, living somewhere on a continuum between a healthy capacity to question authority and a pathological disdain for accountability of any kind.</p>
<p><span id="more-55"></span>While various astrological organizations around the world have tried to address this by attempting to boost the &#8220;image&#8221; of astrology by establishing various qualifying criteria, in practice, there are very few meaningful standards in astrology (particularly in the US), either educationally or ethically. In fact, the US, both <a href="http://www.isarastrology.com/index.php?option=com_cap2&amp;Itemid=75&amp;search=0;0;0" target="_blank">ISAR&#8217;s</a> and the <a href="http://geocosmic.org/certastr/" target="_blank">NCGR&#8217;s</a> list of qualified or &#8220;certified&#8221; astrologers are largely populated with people who  either never completed a recognized course of study or took a single astrological exam &#8212; that is most of these &#8220;certified astrologers&#8221; were granted a kind of honorary certifications (generally the criteria was that they were a &#8220;known&#8221; astrologer, which in practice meant that they were known to ISAR or NCGR board members).  The situation with <a href="http://www.astrologers.com/" target="_blank">the AFA</a> certification is somewhat different as they have never given a Professional Certificate to anyone who has not completed all exams; the main criticism leveled at the AFA is that it is that the exams lack rigour &#8212; a criticism which has also been directed toward ISAR and NCGR).</p>
<p>Fact is, since astrology is not a culturally recognized profession, anyone can hang out a shingle and set up an astrology practice.   It is entirely up to potential consumers to figure out whether a particular astrologer has any real astrological education or ability (the two are not one and the same, though the former must by necessity, preceed the former).  Many of the most innovative, imaginative and responsible astrologers are self-taught, though there are many so-called &#8220;self-taught astrologers, as well as those who boast of being &#8220;certified&#8221; who should be avoided.</p>
<p>Speaking of self-taught astrologers:</p>
<p>About a week ago, as I listened NPR&#8217;s Robert Siegal, host of <i>All things Considered</i> <a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5697880" target="_blank">interview Rob Hand</a> about the banishment of Pluto from the conscious solar system brouhaha, I was pleasantly surprised at the way in which Hand responded to one of those proverbial gotcha&#8217; moments:</p>
<blockquote><p><b>  NPR</b>: You know one of our listeners heard our correspondent David Kestenbaum’s piece yesterday about this controversy and sent us an email saying that he had had his chart done some years ago and the position of Pluto led the astrologer to conclude that he would never marry.  Therefore he wonders whether indeed that forecast might be rescinded based on the new status of Pluto, should it change.</p>
<p><b> Hand</b>: Not necessary to rescind that forecast.  It should never have been made. No planet is capable of indicating absolutely that a person can’t get married. All a planet can do is indicate what a person has to do in order to get married.</p>
<p><b> NPR</b>: Ah ha!</p>
<p><b> Hand</b>: And sometimes that requires so much work on the part of a person that they are not likely to do it. But it isn’t actually the planet that is preventing it, it’s the person’s own inclinations.</p>
<p>I consider a forecast like that to be malpractice [long 4 second pause; was Seigal stumped?] And I have a lot of company.</p>
<p><b> NPR</b>: Well Mr. Hand, thank you very much for talking with us.</p>
<p><b> Hand</b>: You’re welcome. (<a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5697880" target="_blank">listen to the full interview here</a>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes it is true that Hand has a lot of company in this respect, but it is also true that there are many practitioners (as well as many people who consult astrologers) who do believe that the placement of Pluto, or Saturn for that matter in&#8211;say the 7th house of a natal chart&#8211; is indicative of the situation described by Seigal.  And that it is the astrologer&#8217;s job to so inform the client.</p>
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		<title>Some Serious Astrology</title>
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Update: more on Lutin&#8217;s astrological views here.
Some tidbits from a Q &#38; A with famous astrologer Michael Lutin courtesy of The Courier-Journal (Louisville, KY):
Q. I&#8217;ve heard this is supposed to be the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, which is a time of peace, acceptance and love. Why does it seem like nothing&#8217;s getting better?
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<p><b>Update</b>: more on Lutin&#8217;s astrological views <a href="http://astroknavery.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/cockroaches-for-mikey/" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
<p>Some tidbits from a Q &amp; A with <a href="http://www.vanityfair.com/entertainment/horoscopes/articles/" target="_blank">famous astrologer</a> Michael Lutin <a href="http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Date=20060415&amp;Category=FEATURES&amp;ArtNo=604150325&amp;SectionCat=&amp;Template=printart" target="_blank">courtesy of The Courier-Journal</a> (Louisville, KY):</p>
<p><b>Q. I&#8217;ve heard this is supposed to be the dawning of the Age of Aquarius, which is a time of peace, acceptance and love. Why does it seem like nothing&#8217;s getting better?</b></p>
<p>People always think things are going to be better. They&#8217;re never better; they&#8217;re just different. We&#8217;re moving from the Age of Pisces into the Age of Aquarius, but it&#8217;s neurotic to think things are going to get better.</p>
<p><b>I have my birth certificate here. Can you do my chart super quick or tell me something I don&#8217;t know about myself?</b></p>
<p>You know everything about yourself. The client always knows more about him or herself than the astrologer ever could.</p>
<p><b>If I gave you my birth date and time, could you give me a fast read?</b></p>
<p>I would give you that. I couldn&#8217;t do anything real for you.</p>
<p><b>When did you start getting interested in astrology?</b></p>
<p>I was a teenager. … I didn&#8217;t really believe it. I studied it for years and … eventually, after studying chart after chart after chart and seeing the correlations come and be so accurate, I had to either accept it or stop doing it.</p>
<p><b>What&#8217;s your sign?</b></p>
<p>I never tell. It&#8217;s not good for my practice. I try to be neutral in my practice, and people have prejudices against certain signs, so that&#8217;s why. People have all kinds of crazy notions, based upon their childhood, mostly. They&#8217;ll say, &#8220;Oh, I hate Geminis,&#8221; and I&#8217;ll say, &#8220;Is your mother a Gemini?&#8221; &#8220;Yeah, how&#8217;d you know?&#8221;</p>
<p><i>(ed: very badly kept secret at that.  Hint, hint –  famous for being cheap, nit picking, and according to <a href="http://www.forbes.com/lists/2006/03/28/billionaires-horoscope-astrology-cz_lk_0328billyhoroscopes.html">Forbes Magazine</a> attributed to the highest number of billionaires.)</i></p>
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